ujjvalkoul
06-23 05:38 PM
Guys u can mark my words - there will be no relief for Hi Tech Workers, as the policy makers know, if not here we will find comparable jobs elsewhere, and wont make a noise.
It will come down to making a noise in a big way if we have to achieve our immigration goals. When illegals can take to the streets, c'mon we r legal and following the process (which is broken) and we want that process fixed. Is taht asking too much!
Gone are the days when immigrants were welcome in US, although everyone in US is an immigrant, we r the unlucky ones to have been caught in this wave of backlogs, anti-immigrationists and illegals.
It will come down to making a noise in a big way if we have to achieve our immigration goals. When illegals can take to the streets, c'mon we r legal and following the process (which is broken) and we want that process fixed. Is taht asking too much!
Gone are the days when immigrants were welcome in US, although everyone in US is an immigrant, we r the unlucky ones to have been caught in this wave of backlogs, anti-immigrationists and illegals.
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StarSun
02-07 08:34 AM
Thank you members for donating.
simple1
05-01 01:52 PM
yes, I want GC for my wife. 6 months to a year addtional wait is ok. Provided I get cleared soon.
Come on, your comment "limbo for five years" without basis. The FB2 cat is not very far behind. Only 6 months - 1 year behind in most cases. check VB.
Stop using words anti etc. I am just like you frustrated like hell.
My primary point is EB dependents must be out of EB quota.
There is no legal basis for them to be in EB quota. period.
I would not support this at all. Though it would clear the back log for the primary immigrant. What about the spouse and children. When you get your GC, dont you want to get it for your spouse and kids. Do you want them to keep in limbo for five years. It can be counted against family quota but should be given along with the primary. Otherwise its crap.
This might be antis work to divide the community. So be aware.
Come on, your comment "limbo for five years" without basis. The FB2 cat is not very far behind. Only 6 months - 1 year behind in most cases. check VB.
Stop using words anti etc. I am just like you frustrated like hell.
My primary point is EB dependents must be out of EB quota.
There is no legal basis for them to be in EB quota. period.
I would not support this at all. Though it would clear the back log for the primary immigrant. What about the spouse and children. When you get your GC, dont you want to get it for your spouse and kids. Do you want them to keep in limbo for five years. It can be counted against family quota but should be given along with the primary. Otherwise its crap.
This might be antis work to divide the community. So be aware.
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n_2006
02-26 08:39 AM
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fetch_gc
10-16 10:01 AM
Hi gcspace,
I'm still waiting for I485/765/131 receipts from NSC, filed on July 16th@11.16 am, signed by F.HEINAUER.
Today is the 91st day and I do not know how many days we need 2 wait.
I'm still waiting for I485/765/131 receipts from NSC, filed on July 16th@11.16 am, signed by F.HEINAUER.
Today is the 91st day and I do not know how many days we need 2 wait.
simple1
05-01 03:38 PM
Is suing the only option? USCIS could be making unintended mistake. We want to get clarification in a smoother and faster process before the flood gates open in October.
There should be some other legal-process to get written clarifications/interpretation etc on the law (like some kind of AILA discussion with CIS).
If our interpretation is correct, how many of you are willing to sue CIS??
There should be some other legal-process to get written clarifications/interpretation etc on the law (like some kind of AILA discussion with CIS).
If our interpretation is correct, how many of you are willing to sue CIS??
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mpkmaster
06-26 09:41 AM
The process of converting of the American society into a Latino-Mexican one is well on its way and progresses.
This and many other threads have undoubtedly a huge racist component and we urge the administrators to quickly remove them.
You don't deserve to get a green card!
What is the difference between that anti-mexican speech and Sensenbrener's & Tancredo's theories?:(
We could say" We are not going to worship cows and take ritual baths in dirty rivers..."
Shame on you!
This and many other threads have undoubtedly a huge racist component and we urge the administrators to quickly remove them.
You don't deserve to get a green card!
What is the difference between that anti-mexican speech and Sensenbrener's & Tancredo's theories?:(
We could say" We are not going to worship cows and take ritual baths in dirty rivers..."
Shame on you!
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abhijitp
11-21 03:07 PM
You are turning a blind eye to his family, while also asking him to spend time with his family. You ask him to spend what he can on his treatment, while his insurance cover may go away if he quits his job and return to fiji/india.
There is no easy answer here.
But if he had his GC, he could spend all the time with his family, use his insurance cover at the same time, and not worry about his family going out of status.
He COULD try to expedite the GC, while also exploring other options.
Sorry for splitting things apart, Mehul. My best wishes are with you.
There is no easy answer here.
But if he had his GC, he could spend all the time with his family, use his insurance cover at the same time, and not worry about his family going out of status.
He COULD try to expedite the GC, while also exploring other options.
Sorry for splitting things apart, Mehul. My best wishes are with you.
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neelanu
08-27 01:27 PM
..f(p)light still seems to be wheeling on the runway as compared to NSC's soaring high approvals. Any thoughts?:confused:
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kg318
04-23 10:00 PM
Your case is not very clear..How can attroney can advice without reviewing the non-compete agreement?
Non-compete Agreements in New Jersey
Should you sign that non-compete agreement?
It has become fashionable for employers of all types and sizes to require their employees to sign non-compete agreements. These agreements range from very narrow to very broad in scope. A non-compete may bar you from working for a competitor, using or disclosing trade secrets or other confidential information, soliciting customers or recruiting the your employer�s customers. These restrictions generally last from a few months to a few years. Because signing such an agreement can severely restrict your future employment options, you (and your attorney) should review it closely before doing so.
Can you be fired for refusing to sign that non-compete agreement?
Yes, according to the Supreme Court of New Jersey. See Maw v. Advanced Clinical Communications, 179 N.J. 439 (2004).
Will a New Jersey court enforce your non-compete agreement?
Do not make the mistake of thinking that you can sign an agreement and ignore it later. New Jersey Courts routinely enforce non-compete agreements that are �reasonable� in scope. A non-compete agreement will generally be considered reasonable if it (1) protects the legitimate interests of the employer; (2) does not impose an undue hardship on the employee; and (3) is not injurious to the public.
What will happen if you have signed a non-compete agreement that is not �reasonable�?
If the geographic and temporal restrictions in your non-compete agreement exceed the boundaries necessary to protect your employer, a New Jersey court may modify the agreement by reducing those restrictions to make the agreement reasonable. See Solari Industries v. Malady, 55 N.J. 571 (1970).
Guyz, i met attorney. got copy of non compete agreement from a co-worker. I feel kind of releived after what he said.
As per him, every non-compete agreement that is signed cannot be neccessarily enforced in the court of law. If the sole purpose is to avoid ordinary competition, it is unreasonable and unenforceable. If the agreement is ever challenged in court, the most important question, which will be posed from the Judge to the employer, is "What is the legitimate business purpose that is served by this non-compete agreement?"
Now as h1b employees, as every one knows we r not the key personnel in the company. we do not carry with us any trade secrets or confidential information which might harm their business.
AS per him the higher up the "food chain" an employee is at a company, the more willing courts are to enforce non-compete agreements. Upper level employees are typically exposed to more confidential, trade secret, strategic and other information that gives a company a competitive advantage in the market place. The lower down the food chain an employee is, the less likely a court is to enforce non-compete and non-solicitation terms.
Also non competes always have to give some profits to the employee, say a paid vacation, bonus or somethign like that. An employer cannot
just make the employee sign it to restrict him from making better living and not give anything in return....
Seems like these things are favourable to all the h1b employees.
If any employer is claiming non compete to hold the consultant to his company, then even he should not take employees from competetive companies..... But r they doing it???????? We all know the answer.... IT consulting businesses run like that.
Non-compete Agreements in New Jersey
Should you sign that non-compete agreement?
It has become fashionable for employers of all types and sizes to require their employees to sign non-compete agreements. These agreements range from very narrow to very broad in scope. A non-compete may bar you from working for a competitor, using or disclosing trade secrets or other confidential information, soliciting customers or recruiting the your employer�s customers. These restrictions generally last from a few months to a few years. Because signing such an agreement can severely restrict your future employment options, you (and your attorney) should review it closely before doing so.
Can you be fired for refusing to sign that non-compete agreement?
Yes, according to the Supreme Court of New Jersey. See Maw v. Advanced Clinical Communications, 179 N.J. 439 (2004).
Will a New Jersey court enforce your non-compete agreement?
Do not make the mistake of thinking that you can sign an agreement and ignore it later. New Jersey Courts routinely enforce non-compete agreements that are �reasonable� in scope. A non-compete agreement will generally be considered reasonable if it (1) protects the legitimate interests of the employer; (2) does not impose an undue hardship on the employee; and (3) is not injurious to the public.
What will happen if you have signed a non-compete agreement that is not �reasonable�?
If the geographic and temporal restrictions in your non-compete agreement exceed the boundaries necessary to protect your employer, a New Jersey court may modify the agreement by reducing those restrictions to make the agreement reasonable. See Solari Industries v. Malady, 55 N.J. 571 (1970).
Guyz, i met attorney. got copy of non compete agreement from a co-worker. I feel kind of releived after what he said.
As per him, every non-compete agreement that is signed cannot be neccessarily enforced in the court of law. If the sole purpose is to avoid ordinary competition, it is unreasonable and unenforceable. If the agreement is ever challenged in court, the most important question, which will be posed from the Judge to the employer, is "What is the legitimate business purpose that is served by this non-compete agreement?"
Now as h1b employees, as every one knows we r not the key personnel in the company. we do not carry with us any trade secrets or confidential information which might harm their business.
AS per him the higher up the "food chain" an employee is at a company, the more willing courts are to enforce non-compete agreements. Upper level employees are typically exposed to more confidential, trade secret, strategic and other information that gives a company a competitive advantage in the market place. The lower down the food chain an employee is, the less likely a court is to enforce non-compete and non-solicitation terms.
Also non competes always have to give some profits to the employee, say a paid vacation, bonus or somethign like that. An employer cannot
just make the employee sign it to restrict him from making better living and not give anything in return....
Seems like these things are favourable to all the h1b employees.
If any employer is claiming non compete to hold the consultant to his company, then even he should not take employees from competetive companies..... But r they doing it???????? We all know the answer.... IT consulting businesses run like that.
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gcspace
10-16 10:07 AM
I emailed CIS Ombudsman. Not sure if its going to cause any affect.
I might call them tomorrow..but we know what the reply is going to be ...WAIT for another 30 days.
I might call them tomorrow..but we know what the reply is going to be ...WAIT for another 30 days.
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Sachin_Stock
09-23 02:15 PM
"EB-2 India. This category is expected to remain unchanged or to move very slowly forward (by a week or so) in the short-term. This is mainly caused by the fact that many EB-3 India applicants (there are approximately 60,000 EB-3 India pending cases) are �porting� their priority dates into the EB-2 India category and are thus taking visa numbers.
EB2 India is slowwly becoming EB3 as thousands are porting from EB3 to EB2. Some of them are really worthy of EB2 and some of them are fradulent.
EB2 India applicants should wake up from their celebratio of a few months leap and get ready for slow movement or retro.
Guys wake up and fight to make the porting rules veryu strong if not stop porting. The rule should be if I140 for porting is denied then the applicatnt should loose his/her initial EB3 priority date also as he /she has indicated that he/she is no longer working in the position as described in EB3 labor. This will make sure that fradulent applicants cannot port from EB3 to EB2.
P.S: I know I will get thousands of REDs. I do not care... EB2 I guys wake up.. Time is running out.. EB2 I will very quickly become same as EB3I.
If portings from Eb3 to Eb2 are legit, and you still consider that to be fraud, then everybody's Eb-2 applications (resulting from with or without porting) are potential frauds.
Thats a ridiculous assumption!
EB2 India is slowwly becoming EB3 as thousands are porting from EB3 to EB2. Some of them are really worthy of EB2 and some of them are fradulent.
EB2 India applicants should wake up from their celebratio of a few months leap and get ready for slow movement or retro.
Guys wake up and fight to make the porting rules veryu strong if not stop porting. The rule should be if I140 for porting is denied then the applicatnt should loose his/her initial EB3 priority date also as he /she has indicated that he/she is no longer working in the position as described in EB3 labor. This will make sure that fradulent applicants cannot port from EB3 to EB2.
P.S: I know I will get thousands of REDs. I do not care... EB2 I guys wake up.. Time is running out.. EB2 I will very quickly become same as EB3I.
If portings from Eb3 to Eb2 are legit, and you still consider that to be fraud, then everybody's Eb-2 applications (resulting from with or without porting) are potential frauds.
Thats a ridiculous assumption!
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gauravster
11-17 05:53 PM
Done..
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abhijitp
07-10 01:34 AM
Can someone give me Michael Moore's contact and I can gaurantee you that his next movie will be on USCIS and DOS.
I dunno if you were kidding or serious. Here is the email address: mike@michaelmoore.com
Copied from http://www.michaelmoore.com/email/index.php
Contacting Michael
If you have something you want to tell Michael directly, contact him at:
mike@michaelmoore.com
Michael gets thousands of emails and does his best to personally answer as many of them as possible. Occasionally his email box "overflows" and you may get an error when trying to contact him. Please be patient and try sending your message to Michael again at a later date.
I dunno if you were kidding or serious. Here is the email address: mike@michaelmoore.com
Copied from http://www.michaelmoore.com/email/index.php
Contacting Michael
If you have something you want to tell Michael directly, contact him at:
mike@michaelmoore.com
Michael gets thousands of emails and does his best to personally answer as many of them as possible. Occasionally his email box "overflows" and you may get an error when trying to contact him. Please be patient and try sending your message to Michael again at a later date.
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desi3933
07-10 12:44 PM
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6. Again, Permanent job is a job that is expected to last unknown term and is not defined for a period.
Can you point us to a USCIS/DOL resource to confirm that definition of "permanent "job?
Permanent means job that is for for a term of indefinite or unlimited duration.
http://www.uscis.gov/err/B3%20-%20Outstanding%20Professors%20and%20Researchers/Decisions_Issued_in_2004/MAR232004_01B3203.pdf
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H-1B job is not permanent since they have end date specified by LCA and H-1B visa petition.
If *no* H1B job is "permanent," as you say, then how can that job be permanent after filing PERM or I-140? Second, following your argument, if you're on H-1B and changed employers using AC21, the new job wouldn't be considered "permanent," right? Third, if H-1B job is not "permanent," then which one is?
AC-21 is not just for changing GC employer.
AC-21 is for
1. H-1B portability - starting new H1-B immediately after filing opf new petition
2. Extension of H-1B beyond 6 years - if labor is pending > 365 days or I-140 is approved/pending. Since each H-1B petition is linked to LCA and LCA is for temp job, each H1 petition is a new or extension of temp job.
3. Changing of GC employer - Please note that you can change your GC employer even without changing job, just by getting job offer from new employer, as GC job is for job starting after I-485 approval.
Do not confuse existing H-1B job with future GC job.
H-1B is linked to LCA (Temp Job) (http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/h-1b.cfm) Note: The link clearly says
The H-1B program allows an employer to temporarily employ a foreign worker in the U.S. on a nonimmigrant basis in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability.
On the other hand, I-140 is linked to Permanent Labor Certification (http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/perm.cfm) (aka GC labor)
6. Again, Permanent job is a job that is expected to last unknown term and is not defined for a period.
Can you point us to a USCIS/DOL resource to confirm that definition of "permanent "job?
Permanent means job that is for for a term of indefinite or unlimited duration.
http://www.uscis.gov/err/B3%20-%20Outstanding%20Professors%20and%20Researchers/Decisions_Issued_in_2004/MAR232004_01B3203.pdf
.....
H-1B job is not permanent since they have end date specified by LCA and H-1B visa petition.
If *no* H1B job is "permanent," as you say, then how can that job be permanent after filing PERM or I-140? Second, following your argument, if you're on H-1B and changed employers using AC21, the new job wouldn't be considered "permanent," right? Third, if H-1B job is not "permanent," then which one is?
AC-21 is not just for changing GC employer.
AC-21 is for
1. H-1B portability - starting new H1-B immediately after filing opf new petition
2. Extension of H-1B beyond 6 years - if labor is pending > 365 days or I-140 is approved/pending. Since each H-1B petition is linked to LCA and LCA is for temp job, each H1 petition is a new or extension of temp job.
3. Changing of GC employer - Please note that you can change your GC employer even without changing job, just by getting job offer from new employer, as GC job is for job starting after I-485 approval.
Do not confuse existing H-1B job with future GC job.
H-1B is linked to LCA (Temp Job) (http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/h-1b.cfm) Note: The link clearly says
The H-1B program allows an employer to temporarily employ a foreign worker in the U.S. on a nonimmigrant basis in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability.
On the other hand, I-140 is linked to Permanent Labor Certification (http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/perm.cfm) (aka GC labor)
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When485
04-21 04:19 PM
I could not control my feelings and shock when I read your post. We talk and cry about the delays and inconveniences but this one...OMG,,its really upsetting.. I immediately prayed for your welfare and peace...somehow I got a flash inside me saying that " you will live beyond 4-6 months and something will work out for you""
Hope you get some positive news soon!
take care
Hope you get some positive news soon!
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kdprasad
08-13 07:55 PM
Thanks kdprasad - where your I140 was approved from
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desi3933
07-08 10:45 AM
The entire process of immigrating to US via a employment based system is so loosely organized and puts people in unfair situations.
I agree. Since Employment based immigration is driven by Employer needs, employer has the bigger say.
It is just not desi employers or consulting companies, in general, but any employer can have an upper hand on you when you are at their mercy.
Since the process is driven by Employer needs, whole immigration process depends on it. Is it fair from employee point of view? Most likely, not. But, thats how current laws are in place. Changing these laws are not easy, to say the least.
People say big companies have policies and they abide. I agree, but it is not always the case. If someone is in business - they do things in their business interest - if dealing with USCIS is getting difficult - they may say "enough of it - no more responding to RFEs".
One person contacted me - he is having a fulltime job and filed for AC21. he got RFE for EVL 2 times. The first time his HR gave EVL without any hasstles, the second time she was pissed, said "We do not want to deal with this - I have contacted legal and they recommend not to issue such letters".
Now such a situation puts this person in a tough spot -the issue is not because of his employer because his employer did give a proper letter but USCIS asked it again.
Just imagine what is this person's situation for no fault of his?
This is really a very unfortunate situation.
The big difference between EAD (for AC-21) and GC is that AC-21 employer has to provide supporting EVL document to continue pending I-485. Now, it is upto the applicant how he/she passes this information to the employer when he/she joins that AC-21 job.
Now, many would pass clear info to AC21 employer that they would EVL to support their GC process (I-485) and no other sponsorship is required. Now, its upto their mutual agreement on EVL. Employer is, within his rights, not to support or issue AC-21 EVL letter.
On the practical side, vast majority of employer have no issues with such EVL letters.
Big companies, of course, go with their legal team recommendation as their main purpose to run their business with least legal hassels.
We can always argue that "If you are worth and if company wants to retain you then they will not have any issues" - which once again may not always be true because we all know how relationships work out at companies - with ass kissing, nepotism, situations, financial etc......
It is two-way street. If employer is really good, employee will make extra effort on his job. IF employee is valuable (from employer's point of view), most employer will go extra mile to retain him/her. I have seen many such incidents in 12+ years of professional career.
There is, of course, work politics involved too. Bitching about co-worker, a$$ kissing, nepotism is part of it.
I have seen cases, where one team member is making 115k and another team member, at same role, is making just 85k. This may be unfair, but legal.
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Life is not fair; get used to it. - Bill Gates
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
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I agree. Since Employment based immigration is driven by Employer needs, employer has the bigger say.
It is just not desi employers or consulting companies, in general, but any employer can have an upper hand on you when you are at their mercy.
Since the process is driven by Employer needs, whole immigration process depends on it. Is it fair from employee point of view? Most likely, not. But, thats how current laws are in place. Changing these laws are not easy, to say the least.
People say big companies have policies and they abide. I agree, but it is not always the case. If someone is in business - they do things in their business interest - if dealing with USCIS is getting difficult - they may say "enough of it - no more responding to RFEs".
One person contacted me - he is having a fulltime job and filed for AC21. he got RFE for EVL 2 times. The first time his HR gave EVL without any hasstles, the second time she was pissed, said "We do not want to deal with this - I have contacted legal and they recommend not to issue such letters".
Now such a situation puts this person in a tough spot -the issue is not because of his employer because his employer did give a proper letter but USCIS asked it again.
Just imagine what is this person's situation for no fault of his?
This is really a very unfortunate situation.
The big difference between EAD (for AC-21) and GC is that AC-21 employer has to provide supporting EVL document to continue pending I-485. Now, it is upto the applicant how he/she passes this information to the employer when he/she joins that AC-21 job.
Now, many would pass clear info to AC21 employer that they would EVL to support their GC process (I-485) and no other sponsorship is required. Now, its upto their mutual agreement on EVL. Employer is, within his rights, not to support or issue AC-21 EVL letter.
On the practical side, vast majority of employer have no issues with such EVL letters.
Big companies, of course, go with their legal team recommendation as their main purpose to run their business with least legal hassels.
We can always argue that "If you are worth and if company wants to retain you then they will not have any issues" - which once again may not always be true because we all know how relationships work out at companies - with ass kissing, nepotism, situations, financial etc......
It is two-way street. If employer is really good, employee will make extra effort on his job. IF employee is valuable (from employer's point of view), most employer will go extra mile to retain him/her. I have seen many such incidents in 12+ years of professional career.
There is, of course, work politics involved too. Bitching about co-worker, a$$ kissing, nepotism is part of it.
I have seen cases, where one team member is making 115k and another team member, at same role, is making just 85k. This may be unfair, but legal.
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Life is not fair; get used to it. - Bill Gates
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
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amitjoey
07-09 04:52 PM
Sent the press release to local news stations in KY state. If they are interested in the story i will ask them to contact IV for more information.
There you go, that is what we need more, simply send the press release.
There you go, that is what we need more, simply send the press release.
eastindia
09-27 12:50 PM
I think your idea is good. But this could be very difficult to implement, at least for USCIS.
Another suggestion is that porting should be automatic. As soon as a person acquires the required qualification for EB2 + a letter from the company that the person's future job will be of EB2 caliber, UCSIS should put him/her in EB2 category. This is some thing we should work on.
Have you contacted anyone about your ideas? Allowing everyone to port from EB3 to EB2 will solve a lot of problems that America faces today. Except Global warming of course.:D
Another suggestion is that porting should be automatic. As soon as a person acquires the required qualification for EB2 + a letter from the company that the person's future job will be of EB2 caliber, UCSIS should put him/her in EB2 category. This is some thing we should work on.
Have you contacted anyone about your ideas? Allowing everyone to port from EB3 to EB2 will solve a lot of problems that America faces today. Except Global warming of course.:D
jonty_11
07-28 12:07 PM
It is great to see human nature at work. Once united and making phone calls for the 3 lofgren Bills...the same folks are mulling it out over EB2, EB3 and how most of the folks dont even deserve to be either....Interesting fodder for Anti Immi folks.....
W/o demand there is no supply or acceptance of Foriegn nationals in an alien land. Obviously there are some that abuse teh system...
But that is not the intention of IV to solve for rooting the abusers out. Its the USCIS's job to do that. Like they abolished the Subs labor process.....they may as well make EB1, 2 and 3 more restrictive they actually did make EB2 more restrictive when PERM was launched...
So lets all concentrate on what our role in this whole mess is..that is to support IV wholeheartedly...Please focus on the big picture and enjoy life!!!!!!!!!
W/o demand there is no supply or acceptance of Foriegn nationals in an alien land. Obviously there are some that abuse teh system...
But that is not the intention of IV to solve for rooting the abusers out. Its the USCIS's job to do that. Like they abolished the Subs labor process.....they may as well make EB1, 2 and 3 more restrictive they actually did make EB2 more restrictive when PERM was launched...
So lets all concentrate on what our role in this whole mess is..that is to support IV wholeheartedly...Please focus on the big picture and enjoy life!!!!!!!!!
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